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Post by JOHN on Oct 28, 2004 2:22:37 GMT -5
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Post by PatrickS on Oct 28, 2004 4:56:27 GMT -5
Do you mean the films or the posters? I have seen the Paradine Case film, I think it is a very good film, good script………….some scenes in the prison, everything else in the courtroom. Garbo could have done an other Mata Hari like prison scene, which was so effective…. I think Garbo would have been very good in this. Her age would have been right and the twist in the story would have worked with her (I think). It would have been definitely a totally different film. I can imagine that she would have had problems with the famous bossiness of Hitch, but then again he might have treated her with the well deserved respect. Never seen the other film………does not look too exiting………<br>  |
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Post by JOHN on Oct 28, 2004 5:40:15 GMT -5
Hi patrick;) I saw PARADINE too but i wasn´t so impressed.maybe cos i didn´t like the two actors.Peck was too young. anyway, yes you are right.GG would have been perfect esp. cos she had the mystic and oh my..it would have given the film that specail something what is missed.something exiting and spectacular when the Lead actress appears. whatever, this MAMA film is siad to be good.dunno about it....  GG sende the famous telegram to her managment (?) NO MAMAS and NO MURDERESSES |
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Post by PatrickS on Oct 28, 2004 6:25:25 GMT -5
I like that quote………..
And also, I like courtroom dramas – Witness of the Prosecution for example (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0051201/) was such a fantastic film – Dietrich in full swing. I remember seeing this without knowing the plot – what a twist!
I liked all those films from the thirties and forties……..it was a bit too nice for me after the war, all about mother is the best, everybody is constantly happy and smiles – no drama……..no sacrifice
I think it reminds me probably a bit too much about my youth: most important what other people thought about us, cover was very important………..my brother and I had to dress up every Sunday and we had to sit in a restaurant, not allowed to speak…..I am sure people thought we were very well behaved children………looked good, wasn’t fun………
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Post by JOHN on Oct 28, 2004 6:32:57 GMT -5
Man, this must have been hard...i like those stories...my grandmother told me so much about the 40s....
I sat there with OPEN EYES...couldn´t belive it..how hard it was...
about the MD film.YES!! its her best acting part.she gave it all and i doubt that she thought much about it.she played it and made it unforgetable.
i think she was just in a good mood during the filming but she knew that it was going to be a good very good film.
I will NEVER NEVER EVER understand WHY she didn´t do more film after this one.it was quite a big hit and she got amazing reviews but why didn´t she don more films?? she made another film with Orson welles..some years later and again the great NURNBERG drama...but thats it.
why did hollywood didn´t try to make more with her??
[glow=red,2,300]To perfect her disguise as the "thingyney Woman", Director Billy Wilder did a series of screen tests of Marlene Dietrich. The first attempt almost ended the idea when after making-up Dietrich in wigs, contact lenses, false eyelashes, false teeth and shoulder pads, Wilder commented that Dietrich looked less a thingyney woman on screen, than "George C. Scott in Drag".
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Post by PatrickS on Oct 28, 2004 8:38:58 GMT -5
Marlene’s career is fascinating as well. I believe she made the best out of everything (limited acting and singing ability but fantastic career). I don’t know why she didn’t do more in the second half of her life, but I think they didn’t know what to do with her. I remember the tamtam about Gigolo film………and then she didn’t even meet David Bowie…….
I am not sure I have written that before but there was once a 10 minutes program on TV about Josef van Sternberg. He said he could make any Hausfrau as good looking as Marlene. There was the poor woman, average looking and they put makeup on, light was carefully positioned, shadows were created, he shouted lots and after a few hours (in real time) and lots of tears (not by Josef) the woman looked like a mega movie star. Not that I would want to look like Marlene, but with Josef it might have happened for me as well (just joking).
These little 10 minutes films were shown on Television Swiss Romande. That is where I first saw the audition clip from Italy of GG and they also had a film about Visconti searching (and audition) for Tadzio. I miss European TV very much, Uk is very one-sided.
What are all the old German films doing (Flickenstein, Roeck, Horney, Leander, Albers, Goetz, Buchholz….Geierwally)?
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Post by david on Oct 28, 2004 10:33:58 GMT -5
 It's so very sad!!!! Garbo did not like any scripts except "LA DUCHESSE DE LANGEAIS" in 1948 but a big finanical problems!!! Who was the blame? I saw the Garbo documentary VHS tape that part of screen test was so beautiful Garbo with lovely long wave/curly hair....lovely costume and hats, etc!!!! She came alone and was simply dressed, in slacks, a white blouse, and a big black hat. Politely excusing herself, she slipped off to do her own hair and makeup, going easy on the rouge and powder. Forty-five minutes later, she was back on the set, which consisted of a garden table and a column. She asked for a cigarette and seemed distracted, but, according to Howe, "the minute the camera started rolling, she took on, oh....a wonderful emotional feeling....expressed a wonderful emotional feeling of some kind, with a cigarette. It excited me. You (could) see this creature come alive." Howe lit Garbo every which way----from above, from behind, straight into her eyes. He illuminated the rising smoke from her cigarette. Nearly an hour later, she abruptly ended the test with a Garboism: "I think I go home." Gorgeously lit in close-up, Garbo pivots slowly in silence, her eyelashes sweeping the air. A fan plays on her hair. She smokes, she frowns, and then she cannot suprress a smile. For thirteen exquisite minutes, she proves that she has lost none of her riveting photogeneity. There is no sound, but several times we can lip-read her question, "Enough?" To Daniels at one point, she smiles and clearly articulates the words, "Anything for you."  Howe thought the purpose of the exercise was to test CAMERAMEN, not Garbo; whoever did the better shots would get the job. In fact, both the actress and the photographers were auditioning and, beforehand, Garbo admitted she was scared. "She was like a horse on the track----nothing, and then the bell goes, and something happens," said Howe. "When the camera started to roll, she started to come to life. You could see her personality come out, her mood change; and she became more beautiful. We shot for several hours, a couple of thousand feet of film, from different angles and with different lighting. When we were through, she said, 'Thank you, I go back to the beach." The week Garbo died, a eulogy that appeared on the editorial page of the NEW YORK TIMES proved, perhaps, that she had been right to hide from a world obessed with age and beauty. "She was wise to quit when she did," stated the TIMES, "before time had started wearing at her face. The real Garbo could afford to grow old: the screen Garbo could not." She had, of course, learned that early in her career. "On the stage, you have your voice," said the theater-trained Garbo before there were talking pictures. "But in the movies, only your face." After Garbo left the movies, Rouben Mamoulian was asked if he thought she was happy. "That's the last word I would use to describe her," he answered. "Stars look at themselves and they see their beauty is gone, their youth is past. It's a tough experience, and much harder on actresses. Beauty has so much to do with their fame." It was shocked to see Marlene Dietrich's last film "Just A Gigolos" with David Bowie first time that I watched and horrible to see how sad Marlene tried to act again and looked like a sad funeral black clothes and song a sad song with the pianoist....I was so sad and unbelievably!!! Her daughter Maria Riva did not want her mother to dress up and alot of eye-makeup in her last film! My opinion is Garbo did not want acting anymore in late decades, do you? I never know why Garbo refused to do anymore.....Marlene Dietrich's way and Garbo's way were very different!!!! Bette Davis and Joan Crawford were so strong and going on before they gave up if happen! I believe that "La Duchesse de Langeais" was wonderful story....maybe it supposes be success for comeback...but sad about the point of mo-mo-moneeeey problems, I sigh! I am sorry and still sad that is the end of Garbo's career and the last film "Two-Faced Woman" during horrrrrrrrrible World War 2 !!!!! I will try to find two rent Vhs of "I Remember Mama" and "The Paradise Case" at my work to watch it and I am curious what the stories all about.....I wonder why Garbo refused!!!! Thank for an idea to suggest these topic, my beloved John!!!!!
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Post by david on Oct 28, 2004 12:45:04 GMT -5
Hi my beloved John....will you show her pictures in the screen test for "La Duchesse de Langeais" into this board if you have it  The pictures in "Garbo" by Barry Paris has in it....oh lovely! I found two VHS tapes of "The Paradise Case" and "I Remember Mama" at my Library today....I will watch two tapes tonight....I will find out!!! Bored? :-/Exciting? :DThriller?  I think Garbo was so serious and very careful to choose the right story and right roles by herself instead of mistake and obessed how her last film flopped "Two-Faced Woman"!!! I like "Two-Faced Woman" anyway...no matter how bad critics and bad censorship!!! I love Garbo!!!!! God bless American and Europes!!!
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Post by david on Oct 28, 2004 14:57:37 GMT -5
John, I read something in "Garbo" by Barry Paris....what about "Woman's Face" About Joan Crawford....was Garbo interesting?
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Post by JOHN on Oct 28, 2004 22:31:22 GMT -5
John, I read something in "Garbo" by Barry Paris....what about "Woman's Face" About Joan Crawford....was Garbo interesting? Sóme sources say that GG had the choice between TWO FACES WOMAN or A WOMANS FACE. She made TFW of course. I wish she did both in one year ..both as her last movies. With Billy wilder directing TFW and Alfred Hitchkock directing AWF. Anyway, A WOMANS FACE was also directed by G.Cukor and starred M.douglas. The best was that IF GG made WOMANS FACE she would have starred next to the great Conrad Veidt. |
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Post by JOHN on Oct 28, 2004 22:35:14 GMT -5
Hi my beloved John....will you show her pictures in the screen test for "La Duchesse de Langeais" into this board if you have it The pictures in "Garbo" by Barry Paris has in it....oh lovely! I found two VHS tapes of "The Paradise Case" and "I Remember Mama" at my Library today....I will watch two tapes tonight....I will find out!!! Bored? :-/Exciting? :DThriller? I think Garbo was so serious and very careful to choose the right story and right roles by herself instead of mistake and obessed how her last film flopped "Two-Faced Woman"!!! I like "Two-Faced Woman" anyway...no matter how bad critics and bad censorship!!! I love Garbo!!!!! God bless American and Europes!!! You are lucky!! you can rent every film you want....;(( i hardly see any of those films here.... Here are 2 pics:   |
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Post by JOHN on Oct 28, 2004 22:38:27 GMT -5
Marlene’s career is fascinating as well. I believe she made the best out of everything (limited acting and singing ability but fantastic career). I don’t know why she didn’t do more in the second half of her life, but I think they didn’t know what to do with her. [glow=red,2,300]I think you are right! THATS IT!! they really didn´t know. [/glow] I remember the tamtam about Gigolo film………and then she didn’t even meet David Bowie……. I am not sure I have written that before but there was once a 10 minutes program on TV about Josef van Sternberg. He said he could make any Hausfrau as good looking as Marlene. There was the poor woman, average looking and they put makeup on, light was carefully positioned, shadows were created, he shouted lots and after a few hours (in real time) and lots of tears (not by Josef) the woman looked like a mega movie star. Not that I would want to look like Marlene, but with Josef it might have happened for me as well (just joking). [glow=red,2,300] ;D i wish i could see this[/glow] These little 10 minutes films were shown on Television Swiss Romande. That is where I first saw the audition clip from Italy of GG and they also had a film about Visconti searching (and audition) for Tadzio. I miss European TV very much, Uk is very one-sided. What are all the old German films doing (Flickenstein, Roeck, Horney, Leander, Albers, Goetz, Buchholz….Geierwally)? [glow=red,2,300]Patrick, they hardly show stuff like that here too.they did this in the 80s and very early 90s...but now.....really german Tv is turning more and more into a USA like Tv station [/glow] |
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Post by PatrickS on Oct 29, 2004 2:18:11 GMT -5
Not even on a Sunday afternoon? I build up my knowledge about German films entirely on those boring afternoons, watching TV…….
So you must have the same choice as we have over here, only TCM is really fantastic, I only wish they would show more and different films there. Often they repeat the same film over and over again, instead of spreading it out over the year.
Anyway, I have bought a few German films now on DVD which makes up for the lack of the old films…….(I bought the complete Raumpatrouille Orion……..but you are too young to have seen that when it was shown on TV…….pre Enterprise).
These 2 photos you posted, are they from the audition? In my film clip you see her only from the front……..and smiling……..
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Post by JOHN on Oct 29, 2004 2:38:10 GMT -5
I bought ORION too,)
well, yeah ARTE and maybe sunday afternoon but nothing special;)
yeah they were from the screentest La Duchess...
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Post by david on Oct 29, 2004 7:44:47 GMT -5
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Post by david on Oct 30, 2004 7:30:38 GMT -5
Hi my...my....my John!!! I watched a tape "I Remember Mama".....I don't interested!!! I don't think it was right story for Garbo!!! Agree? I don't want Garbo to play as Mama like older.....I understood about Garbo's dislike about murderess!!!!! Thank you, my dear John....suggest about that movie I watched it....Garbo was so intelligent to protect from this awfully script!!! Love ya all in GG's Eternally!!!!
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Post by david on Oct 30, 2004 9:52:15 GMT -5
whatever, this MAMA film is siad to be good.dunno about it.... GG sende the famous telegram to her managment (?) NO MAMAS and NO MURDERESSES mmmmmmmy God, I agreed! That's soooooo very famous Garbo's word: No Mamas and No Murderesses!!!!! Garbo was sooooo smart!!!! I bet that a movie was bored and strange! I wanted Garbo to play in "A Woman's Face", I agreed with you for her to make her both of "Two-Faced Woman" and "A Woman's Face"!!!! Garbo's face was soooo perfect and soooo beautifully than Joan Crawford's!!!! ;D
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Post by david on Nov 2, 2004 10:22:15 GMT -5
[/img] www.imdb.com/title/tt0040458/www.imdb.com/title/tt0039694/maindetailsfrom mid or end off 40s.anyone seen those ?? [glow=red,2,300]Hitch wanted to cast Laurence Olivier or Ronald Colman as Anthony Keane, Greta Garbo as Mrs. Paradine and 'Robert Newton' as André Latour. [/glow] [/quote]  Joooooooonny, I watched "Paradine Case" was really interested about mysterious/murder last night....I really liked it very much about that but sadly, Garbo was backed off....I suspect that director Alfred Hitchthingy would be "mean, hot-tempered, mistreat" to Garbo any reasons in the set and discuss or fussy about script situation at all.....I knew that murder story bothered Garbo alot because Garbo hated to act as "Murderess" like "I Remember Mama"....she did not like to be mama, too!!!! I was surprised that actress Ann Todd acted like silence mystery and great high-cheek, too in the film....seems like "Mata Hari type" in the court....I watched "Kiss" and "Mata Hari" were great stories about mysterious and murder, also presence in the court, too!!!! Thank you very much for "Paradise Case", my dear John!!!!! ;D |
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Post by david on Nov 10, 2004 15:46:07 GMT -5
Hey, John....I have a vhs tape "The Picture of Dorian Gray" on closed captioned so I will watch and curious what the story is all about it tonight....ummmm!!! I read something in a Garbo book that said the offer script for Garbo to play as Dorian Gray.....was she really interested? I hope it is a good story? Did you see this movie, John? George Sanders (actor) Hurd Hatfield (actor) Donna Reed (actress) Angela Lansbury (actress)
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Post by JOHN on Nov 11, 2004 0:21:41 GMT -5
Hey, John....I have a vhs tape "The Picture of Dorian Gray" on closed captioned so I will watch and curious what the story is all about it tonight....ummmm!!! I read something in a Garbo book that said the offer script for Garbo to play as Dorian Gray.....was she really interested? I hope it is a good story? Did you see this movie, John? George Sanders (actor) Hurd Hatfield (actor) Donna Reed (actress) Angela Lansbury (actress) Hi dave;) Yes PARADINE CASE really reminded me on Mata Hari a bit too;) I´m glad you gave seen both films. Abbout Gray: Yes its true.since GG read the book she said that she would have loved to make a film out of this.I think the first time she talked about it was in the very late 20s...but if this all is true..we will never know. But one thing for sure..GG loved to make a film version out of it. I saw this film version (starring george sanders) too and yes they even or GGs managment or whoever thought about putting GG in the lead role ( or it was just something GG said to the peoducer...i still don´t know..) but than the producers got cold feet and were rumored to have rather Errol Flynn for the part...dunno if this all is true though. In the end Sanders made the film..which is from my point of view a..mmmm..very weak film.. I prefer the Helmut Berger version from the late 60s. In the 50s there was a rumor that GG wanted to make a new version ([glow=red,2,300] maybe [/glow] a very dramatic modern like Tenessee Williams styled 50s version about a famous and excentric female superstar ...selling her soul to devil to get eternal youth and success ..bla bla bla....) and that she wanted Marilyn Monroe for the lover part-.....who will be seduced by DORIAN(A) Gray (GG) and later gets killed by hers for whatever reasons... ( i still haven´r read the book yet...hahahhaha) I think this would have been A MA Z I N G !!! |
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Post by david on Nov 11, 2004 10:31:49 GMT -5
Oh John, I was unbelievably and shocked to see a movie "The Picture of Dorian Gray" is soooo strange, mysterious, fictional, and also MURDERER!!!!!! But I was so interested this story about Youth Eternal and Mystery....fictionally! I wish Garbo stayed young forever like that story but she did not believe in real life, either....She always said "NO MURDERER!!!" She did not like killing someone in a film like "Mata Hari", "Kiss", another few....  I bet that Garbo liked to play as man for this movie ;D , but I found out that a book by Karen Swenson: "Later, when Greta expressed an interest in playing the title role in Oscar Wilde's The Picture of Dorian Gray (a role in which she would not "pass" as a man, but play a man), Mercedes responded, "You go and tell Irving that idea and have him throw you out the window----not me!" My fantastic image that Garbo plays as George Sand, Saint of Joan, Hamlet, and of Dorian Gray, too....oh she likes to dress as man....exactly what Garbo did in "Queen Christina" but MGM won't let her!!!!! Oh well!  Love Eternal in GG, D.L.
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Post by david on Nov 11, 2004 14:13:05 GMT -5
John, was that really Garbo wanted Sex Symbol Marilyn Monroe to play with her in "The Picture of Dorian Gray" Oh I really curious why Garbo liked Marilyn Monroe? My opinion is Garbo was crazy over "blondes sexy women"! Haaaaaaaaaaaa! ;D
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Post by JOHN on Nov 18, 2004 5:28:02 GMT -5
i think its true.well, many quoted GG saying this. heres another PARADINE pic;)  |
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Post by david on Nov 18, 2004 9:20:35 GMT -5
;D John, that is a wonderful photo of "The Paradise Case".....great cottages!!!! Interested! I like mystery movie!!!! I wish Garbo was with Gregory Peck in that photo instead of actress Ann Todd!!! ;D Love ya, GGfan! |
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Post by Walewska on Nov 20, 2004 7:09:03 GMT -5
;D John, that is a wonderful photo of "The Paradise Case".....great cottages!!!! Interested! I like mystery movie!!!! I wish Garbo was with Gregory Peck in that photo instead of actress Ann Todd!!! ;D Love ya, GGfan! Oh yes, I can already imagine GG with Peck...It would have been great... Anyway, the photo is looking good, great quality.... |
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It's so very sad!!!! Garbo did not like any scripts except "LA DUCHESSE DE LANGEAIS" in 1948 but a big finanical problems!!! Who was the blame? I saw the Garbo documentary VHS tape that part of screen test was so beautiful Garbo with lovely long wave/curly hair....lovely costume and hats, etc!!!! She came alone and was simply dressed, in slacks, a white blouse, and a big black hat. Politely excusing herself, she slipped off to do her own hair and makeup, going easy on the rouge and powder. Forty-five minutes later, she was back on the set, which consisted of a garden table and a column. She asked for a cigarette and seemed distracted, but, according to Howe, "the minute the camera started rolling, she took on, oh....a wonderful emotional feeling....expressed a wonderful emotional feeling of some kind, with a cigarette. It excited me. You (could) see this creature come alive." Howe lit Garbo every which way----from above, from behind, straight into her eyes. He illuminated the rising smoke from her cigarette. Nearly an hour later, she abruptly ended the test with a Garboism: "I think I go home."
The pictures in "Garbo" by Barry Paris has in it....oh lovely! 
Yeeeeees, lovely two pictures of "La Duchesse de Langeais"!!!!!!!!!!! I wish that she made her successful comeback one day....how sad thoughts that she never made her comeback anytime....how happened!!!!! I love her laugh/smile....sexy!!! Thank you so very much, John for show it!!!! That made me feel comfort to see these pictures of Garbo! 
I bet that Garbo liked to play as man for this movie ;D , but I found out that a book by Karen Swenson:
Love Eternal in GG, D.L. 
